MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[wcbsas]

Tillema graduated high school in '07 and accepted a bbal scholarship to Division 2 Minnesota-Duluth.  He was actually reasonably productive for UMD playing in all their games during the fall semester of his true freshman year.  He hurt himself the 9th game of the season on December 5th.

He left school at the semester break and transferred to UW-Oshkosh (closer to home).  It was rumored that he was intending to play basketball at UWO for the '08-'09 season but at the last minute chose not to go out.

Apparently the itch returned and he decided to join his brother Tyler at whatever school they mutually decided upon.  They ended up at UWSP after considering UWW amongst others.

Point being ... this is Dan's third year out of high school and academically he's a junior but it will be his 2nd year of basketball and athletically he'll be a sophomore.  For all intentions it appears last year will be considered a "gray-shirt" rather than the traditional redshirt.

[chmarx]

Former WIAC Superstar tearing it up in the land down under!

http://www.nbl.com.au/index.php?id=46&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=13938&tx_ttnews[backPid]=44&cHash=f95bca88c5//

Click on News, scroll down to Rich Rewards for Toil

Good for him.  Joe Werner and his wife are also doing quite well in Australia.

[John Gleich]

It might be a bit early for this because we haven't even started practice yet... but any ruminations about what the final conference standings will be?

Over on the CCIW page, they have the percent of returning scorers/rebounders/assists... I may figure out those numbers this weekend if I have a chance and give us some insight.

[frodotwo]

It might be a bit early for this because we haven't even started practice yet... but any ruminations about what the final conference standings will be?

Over on the CCIW page, they have the percent of returning scorers/rebounders/assists... I may figure out those numbers this weekend if I have a chance and give us some insight.

Don't know what opinions may be from everyone, but The Sporting News believes UWSP will finish 9th. In the country that is. This is from the release by Guilford on this website here:  

http://d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=3190

Pretty high praise for a team that lost 3 starters.

[UWP SID]

It might be a bit early for this because we haven't even started practice yet... but any ruminations about what the final conference standings will be?

Over on the CCIW page, they have the percent of returning scorers/rebounders/assists... I may figure out those numbers this weekend if I have a chance and give us some insight.

Don't know what opinions may be from everyone, but The Sporting News believes UWSP will finish 9th. In the country that is. This is from the release by Guilford on this website here: 

http://d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=3190

Pretty high praise for a team that lost 3 starters.

The Sporting News lists a number of WIAC teams and individuals:

Besides UW-Stevens Point ranking 9th, UW-Eau Claire, UW-Oshkosh, UW-Platteville, and UW-Whitewater are all mentioned as possible breakthrough teams.

On the all-America list, UW-Oshkosh's D.J. Marsh is a second-team pick, and UW-Platteville's Curt Hanson, UW-Stout's Jerrel Enerson-Matthews, Whitewater's Dustin Mitchell, and Stevens Point's Matt Moses are on the honorable mention list.

[wcbsas]

It might be a bit early for this because we haven't even started practice yet... but any ruminations about what the final conference standings will be?

Over on the CCIW page, they have the percent of returning scorers/rebounders/assists... I may figure out those numbers this weekend if I have a chance and give us some insight.

Don't know what opinions may be from everyone, but The Sporting News believes UWSP will finish 9th. In the country that is. This is from the release by Guilford on this website here:  

http://d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=3190

Pretty high praise for a team that lost 3 starters.

Thee polls are pretty irrelevant because they rely on last year and historical performance.  The so called experts really don't analyze these teams too much.

[badgerwarhawk]

That's true but the national recognition provided by publications like The Sporting News is good for the league and all it's members. 

[UWP SID]

Pretty high praise for a team that lost 3 starters.

Thee polls are pretty irrelevant because they rely on last year and historical performance.  The so called experts really don't analyze these teams too much.

You have obviously never been asked to fill out information for Pat's D3hoops.com preseason poll. I think shoe size for each returner is about the only question not asked on there. The mountain of information supplied to the voters is amazing. It's broken down by percent of points, rebounds, assists, turnovers, blocks, etc. lost and returning for each team, plus all the stats of every key returner and newcomer.

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[Just Bill]

Pretty high praise for a team that lost 3 starters.

Thee polls are pretty irrelevant because they rely on last year and historical performance.  The so called experts really don't analyze these teams too much.

You have obviously never been asked to fill out information for Pat's D3hoops.com preseason poll. I think shoe size for each returner is about the only question not asked on there. The mountain of information supplied to the voters is amazing. It's broken down by percent of points, rebounds, assists, turnovers, blocks, etc. lost and returning for each team, plus all the stats of every key returner and newcomer.

I think he was referring to the Sporting News poll. Those publications don't give a damn. I don't think anyone thinks that about Pat's poll.

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[Gregory Sager]

Apropos of nothing, I just want to say as an outsider that you guys have had some terrific and well-reasoned discussions here over the past couple of weeks. I've especially enjoyed PointSpecial's painstakingly thorough essays ... although my own contributions to these boards prove that I'm more immune to the eyestrain that comes from reading lengthy posts than most of you probably are.

[Just Bill]

Apropos of nothing, I just want to say as an outsider that you guys have had some terrific and well-reasoned discussions here over the past couple of weeks. I've especially enjoyed PointSpecial's painstakingly thorough essays ... although my own contributions to these boards prove that I'm more immune to the eyestrain that comes from reading lengthy posts than most of you probably are.

Well crap, what kind of a message board is this then? I've been watching Fox News and MSNBC non-stop 11 hours a day, so therefore I know that all human interaction is supposed to blind partisanship for your point of view mixed with blind hatred at anyone who disagrees (or may even appear to disagree).  We might as well shut down this site if we can't meet those standards.

[wcbsas]

Pretty high praise for a team that lost 3 starters.

Thee polls are pretty irrelevant because they rely on last year and historical performance.  The so called experts really don't analyze these teams too much.

You have obviously never been asked to fill out information for Pat's D3hoops.com preseason poll. I think shoe size for each returner is about the only question not asked on there. The mountain of information supplied to the voters is amazing. It's broken down by percent of points, rebounds, assists, turnovers, blocks, etc. lost and returning for each team, plus all the stats of every key returner and newcomer.

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Just Bill is correct ... I was just referencing the Sporting News poll as published/linked on D3Sports.com ... I'm not sure Sporting News, Sports Illustrated or any of the national publications really know that much about D3 Hoops.  It would be nice if they did.

Heck, a lot of guys on this board are avid followers and even then information about upcoming teams is at best lacking ... most web sites do not have rosters up yet, a lot do not even have schedules up yet!

[John Gleich]

OK, I did some calculating... it isn't 100% accurate because the teams don't all have their rosters out yet and EC, with a new website, doesn't have their stats from last year up yet...  But here are the returning numbers for each of the teams based on either presumed rosters or posted rosters.

School     Points   Reb   A

Point       52%   50%   42%

Platte     55%   46%   38%

WW        28%   29%   33%

Oshkosh   54%   64%   70%

EC*           20%   11%   34%   (no less than)

88%   86%   100%   (no more than)

RF            92%   79%   94%

LaX            85%   80%   72%

Sup           72%   54%   73%

Stout        78%   64%   76%

I had to approximate (even more than all the others...) EC's.  The "no less than" line incorporates the guys who should be returning that were ranked in conference for points, assists, and rebounds.  The "no more than" takes into account Beyer leaving.  Of course they won't have more than 100% assists returning... but he wasn't ranked in that category, so it MIGHT be 100%.

Whitewater, in terms of sheer percentages appears to be the one hurt most by graduation.  And while we thought that Oshkosh was unbalanced last year, Marsh has exactly half of the returning points and rebounds and 41% of the returning assists for Oshkosh.

RF has the most back though LaX, Sup and Stout have quite a bit back too.  I think Superior will really miss Manor... does anyone remember if he just quit, or if he was going to transfer, or what the story was with him?

Last year followed what is typically the case in this league.  The most senior teams did the best.  I think it will be interesting to see how those teams replace the missing points...

In terms of seniors this year... (as long all the juniors from last year play this year)

Point - 2
Platte - 7
WW - 2
Oshy - 4
EC - 5
RF - 1
LaX - 5
Sup - 2
Stout - 5 (1 transfer)


Platteville's 7 includes Langenfeld, who, if my memory serves me correctly was out pretty much the whole year with an injury.  He started 24 games as a sophomore... not sure if he would seek to get a medical redshirt (or waiver or whatever they're calling it these days).

It would appear that Plattville would be on top, from that alone... but there are lots of other factors, and we don't even know if all of those guys are coming back out.

Interestingly, several of the lower-tier teams from last year have quite a few seniors too.

I don't have time to look at the number of juniors from last year... but that will play into things quite a bit too.

[Just Bill]

PS, the WIAC site has every team's complete stats too.  Not that you need to re-do your work, but just in case you wanted to see UWEC's season stats from 08-09.

[John Gleich]

PS, the WIAC site has every team's complete stats too.  Not that you need to re-do your work, but just in case you wanted to see UWEC's season stats from 08-09.

I see that now, thanks.  If I have a chance, I'll go back and update EC's #'s.